I’ve sure A LOT of people on Tumblr uses the lovely Screencapped.net site for various things.
Currently they’re being hit with a DMCA Claim thanks to HBO. And even though it’s just for 2 shows, the DMCA is trying to close all their galleries.
So, please take a moment out to sign their petition to HBO, trying to get them to drop the DMCA.
It can be found here.
I mean this post sincerely. I want to start out with this statement. This post is not one of my critical analysis posts (though I do want to explain where my feelings are coming from.) I really, really want to like Thor, so that I can read and enjoy and more importantly write and enjoy Thor as a character. I have greatly enjoyed my time in this fandom in a very great part because of Odinson brofeels and I don’t want to lose that.
So my fundamental conflict stems from the fact that Loki is my favorite: not because he’s a better person than Thor (he definitely isn’t) but because he’s twisted and complex and fascinating and there is so, so much potential for greatness in him if he could just get his shit sorted out. Thor is OK, but not in and of himself interesting to me — it is his conflict with Loki, and the yin-yang balance of light and dark between them, that makes him interesting.
The problem is this: I like characters that like the characters I like. (Try saying that one five times fast.) If characters care about and show affection towards my favorites, then I like them in turn. If they don’t, if they’re cruel or callous, then I dislike them in equal measure.
And for the last two movies, I have not seen much evidence that Thor cares about Loki. I simply have not. I know we have been told, over and over again, that Thor is a caring and loving person with regard to his brother. I don’t see it. As far as I’m concerned it is an Informed Attribute. I know what we are supposed to see, but what I see is that Thor cares for Loki only when Loki is useful or convenient to him, and not one bit further. I don’t see devotion. I don’t see loyalty. I don’t even see consideration. And I certainly don’t see love.
This problem is mostly coming to a head in the wake of seeing Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier, where we actually got a chance to see, in the relationship between Steve and Bucky, what that kind of devotion and love towards a man who was once as close as your own heart and is now an enemy really looks like. I didn’t see it in Thor. I see it now in Steve. And instead of making me happy it just makes me intensely, insanely frustrated, because it just highlights the absence of what I looked for in Thor and did not find. (And quite honestly kind of jealous, not that I wish Cap/Bucky devotees anything but the best.)
I am aware that my feelings are irrational, that the character can be whoever I want him to be and that one fictional canon is not more legitimate than another. But that doesn’t banish them and bring back the joy I started out this fandom feeling. I really want to bring that joy back. So please, followers, if you can think of anything that would get me to like Thor again, please share it with me. Really good Brodinson fics. Specific runs of comic books (if you have any advice on where I can get them.) Thoughtful meta posts. It’s open floor here.
I guess it depends on how you feel about Odin, but my response has basically been to blame Odin for everything.
If you think about it, the moral lesson imposed in the first movie is “Whatever Odin says is right.” Thor didn’t learn that killing other people is bad, (see Avengers, where his first on-screen actions include trying to kill Iron Man), or that designating an entire race as “monstrous” is bad, (see the entirety of TDW), but he did learn that killing other people without Odin’s permission is bad. Hence the whole “There will never be a wiser king than you…” line.
Thor wasn’t there for Loki’s nervous breakdown. All he knows is what Odin told him. And I highly doubt that Odin sat him down and said, “Look, I fucked up.” From the sequels and art books, it seems a lot more likely that Odin told him Loki was a usurper, that he wanted Thor’s throne, that he sent the Destroyer to Midgard not as a response to treason but just because he hated Thor that much, and that anything he said to the contrary on the Bifrost was him being manipulative. With Loki gone for two years, only to suddenly reappear on Midgard demanding a throne, Thor doesn’t really have any reason not to believe that’s what’s going on.
In TDW we see a lot of flipflopping with Loki between “I can’t trust you, you’re not my brother, you’re just a criminal that I need to throw back in the dungeons, you’re going to betray me and then I’ll kill you” and “I can trust you, you’re my brother, my entire plan relies on you not betraying me.” The first is what Odin’s been telling him. The second is what I think he actually believes. But with his entire “moral” arc in Thor revolving around him learning that Odin is always right, it’s not really surprising that his first inclination is to treat Loki like Odin did, as a “stolen relic” and a criminal rather than a member of the family. I can’t blame him for that.
Men want what they want.
So much of our culture caters to giving men what they want. A high school student invites model Kate Upton to attend his prom, and he’s congratulated for his audacity. A male fan at a Beyoncé concert reaches up to the stage to slap her ass because her ass is there, her ass is magnificent, and he wants to feel it. The science fiction fandom community is once again having a heated discussion, across the Internet, about the ongoing problem of sexual harassment at conventions — countless women are telling all manner of stories about how, without their consent, they are groped, ogled, lured into hotel rooms under false pretenses, physically lifted off the ground, and more.
But men want what they want. We should all lighten up.
It’s hard not to feel humorless as a woman and a feminist, to recognize misogyny in so many forms, some great and some small, and know you’re not imagining things. It’s hard to be told to lighten up because if you lighten up any more, you’re going to float the fuck away. The problem is not that one of these things is happening, it’s that they are all happening, concurrently and constantly.
These are just songs. They are just jokes. They are just movies. It’s just a hug. They’re just breasts. Smile, you’re beautiful. Can’t a man pay you a compliment? In truth, this is all a symptom of a much more virulent cultural sickness — one where women exist to satisfy the whims of men, one where a woman’s worth is consistently diminished or entirely ignored.